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A Monster's Expedition Part 20 - despite everything, at least we have the snowmen. I think it should be made clear that I didn't get tired of this game, it's more that the type of puzzles that this game offered changed, and I'm not personally a fan of the new type of puzzle. Nothing wrong with liking it, that just means you'll enjoy playing the game even more.
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A Monster's Expedition is a new open world puzzle game from the makers of Cosmic Express! Push, roll, and stack logs to hop from island to island, learning about humans along the way. Solve hundreds of puzzles in this massive open world adventure!
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  • I should be clear that I didn't get tired of this game because of how long I've been playing it, but because the end game uses a different style of puzzle from the rest of the game - open world/open ended puzzles. I personally get zero enjoyment from open ended puzzles, and that goes for any game, not just this game. Nothing wrong if you do enjoy them (you'll enjoy playing this game even more if you do), but I want to talk about my own preference when it comes to puzzles and how I still found a way to enjoy these last few levels. I prefer for a puzzle to have a clear beginning or a clear end (or both), where the challenge lies in using the large amount of information available to form a strategy. I find great joy in having confidence in the starting information, rather than having doubt, which directly impacts my intuition and ability to come up with interesting ideas. Some people may see the sowing of doubt as a positive because it's "real", but I heavily prefer games that are an escape from real life, rather than an emulation of it. These late game puzzles give you incomplete information, as you can begin from any of the 20 surrounding islands, and you can end by reaching the island from any row or column as long as it intersects with the cloud. The only choice you have for many of these puzzles is surveying the surrounding islands, forming a list of potential candidates for starting points, and going through the list one by one, meticulously trying every way you know to use that area as an access point. This is known as guessing and checking. Pretty much every single open ended puzzle requires guessing and checking, but sometimes they throw in fun and interesting tricks as a part 2 after the guess and check portion. A few of the "extra tricks" in this game have been transferring logs between islands, pushing a double log over a rock, and finding a way to topple a tree from an unsecured raft (as well as a couple others you guys haven't seen yet). These tricks are extremely fun to figure out when you're confident in your information, but for open ended puzzles, any brain power that goes towards strategy is instead thinking "what if the starting point is simply different". I've asked this plenty of times before, and I'd like to ask again: is there truly any way to improve at the guess and check portion of open ended puzzles? My current strategy is a mix of "if I'm met with any resistance, move on to the next item on the list" and "pick an item on the list and force complete confidence that it is the correct starting point, allowing yourself to come up with creative tricks you wouldn't consider otherwise". Asking chat for the starting point was an accelerated version of the second portion, as it was the only way I could enjoy the last few puzzles. While I respect the devs for making the levels they want to make, I personally would have enjoyed more information being available in the form of thinner clouds. Being able to see the rocks and the shape of the island would speed up the guess and check portion greatly. If doing so suddenly makes a puzzle too easy, I would consider that a failure in level design. The final level of the next episode features thin clouds, letting you see everything you need to know about the level, but many people still considered it to be extremely hard. I took no hints from chat on that one, and it ended up being my second favorite level in the whole game. On the other hand, there were several levels that had a solution of simply bridging across with a double log, however the clouds made it impossible to see the gap in the first place unless you stared at that spot for 30 seconds straight waiting for a glimpse of land. Anyways, I can handle an open ended level once in a while, but too many of them back to back made me crack and ask chat for help. I still had fun solving the levels after consulting chat, but apparently it isn't fun to watch. Maybe in the future, I will skip over open ended levels entirely. Thanks for reading. Thoughts?

    AliensrockAliensrock3 kuukautta sitten
    • I still enjoyed watching you solve these, but I agree that it is too open ended to be very fun to solve for me. As long as you're happy, I'll be happy with it too

      Noah HavensNoah Havens2 kuukautta sitten
    • Incredibly well thought out thought and worded words, I appreciate.

      Josiah GieseJosiah Giese2 kuukautta sitten
    • Asking chat isn’t a bother at all. I’d much rather watch you ask for help on where to start or where the landing point is if you are enjoying it. The enjoyment of solving the puzzles is the best part of the videos

      Steven BeichnerSteven Beichner2 kuukautta sitten
    • Asking chat for help is a completely acceptable strategy; I actually enjoy it when you involve chat. My only problem with it was how (probably) the editing, in the last video, made them seem asked one after the other. At that point, it is almost like asking for the answer, though I do understand that there were many steps left. Just keep doing what you do and what makes you enjoy the game

      armygameloverarmygamelover2 kuukautta sitten
    • Better than waiting two weeks and having 6 next stream or 3 day later cards. Open ended puzzles are okay sometimes just not back to back to back to back.

      Anothr ToAnothr To3 kuukautta sitten
  • The angel is holding a harp

    Jason ChaseJason ChaseUukausi sitten
  • Funny story for the puzzle around 16:00 , I actually completely forgot you could have a big log on top of a rock. It may have taken me 2-3 hours, but I managed to solve that puzzle in a completely unintended way involving the two islands to the left of the ones in the main puzzle. My motto for this puzzle basically became “when in doubt, add more logs” and when all was said and done my unintended solution was the most fun I had in the entire game. This game may be extremely polished, but there are still ways to break it.

    FreezeFlameFreezeFlameUukausi sitten
  • 2:24 the thing on his arm is a harp.

    Caspar SmithCaspar Smith2 kuukautta sitten
  • That weird log in the water was a weird out of bounds prevention thing I bet

    Anothr ToAnothr To3 kuukautta sitten
  • You don't want to find the maze, but do want to solve it

    TofuDaTurtleTofuDaTurtle3 kuukautta sitten
  • "Woah a bumblebee-snowman, the first non-white-snowman!" Silver robot-snowman: "Excuse me wtf"

    Jack RudolfJack Rudolf3 kuukautta sitten
  • I prefer to see someone not repeating the same task 20 times, in which asking chat helps avoid. To me, it's also more fun to see the person I'm watching having more fun, rather than being too focused on finding the start and end points by guessing. I'd be happy to continue watching open ended puzzles but the chat gives you the starting and ending points!

    revnl17revnl173 kuukautta sitten
  • Reposting this out of the pin: I think the devs may have came to the same consensus as it seens almost all of the major open ended puzzles come after you would reasonably be able to beat the game. They feel like they are meant as the extra/ bonus levels for the player to do, even the non snowman puzzles. I agree the thin clouds should be an option for those who want it, or maybe a zoom and stare at the island for 3 seconds it thins a little to give an outline. Stare 10 seconds and it highlights islands needed to solve the island.

    Obvious _Product_PlacementObvious _Product_Placement3 kuukautta sitten
    • I was also thinking that maybe they could have made a log( pun intended) of all the mechanics/techniques you have used or learned that you can look back at when stumped( always intended)

      Obvious _Product_PlacementObvious _Product_Placement3 kuukautta sitten
  • a yellow snowman-

    tree musictree music3 kuukautta sitten
  • .nice

    International funny manInternational funny man3 kuukautta sitten
  • Can we talk about how gorgeous his hair color is?

    Theodore SpragueTheodore Sprague3 kuukautta sitten
  • I totally understand where you're coming from. Personally, I don't mind open-ended puzzles that rely more on intuition rather than following what the developer intended. I think the problem, at least judging by these videos, is that the puzzles themselves are pretty linear, the game shouldn't punish you for not being on the "correct" island. and the game shouldn't expect you to figure it out. It's annoying to have to spend a long time on a puzzle only for it to be impossible, or even worse, being close to the correct solution but it's too hard to solve so you assume it's impossible. I think for the most part this game should allow you to go to any island from any island without having to rely on any glitches and exploits.

    NIMPAK1NIMPAK13 kuukautta sitten
  • I don't think I'd hug a yellow snowman tbh...

    PetterPetter3 kuukautta sitten
  • 20:52 there was the robo boi

    A PersonA Person3 kuukautta sitten
  • thank you for the title :)

    Makaria EigengrauMakaria Eigengrau3 kuukautta sitten
  • I just want to let you know that you hugged a yellow snowman

    JayTheYggdrasilJayTheYggdrasil3 kuukautta sitten
  • 5:13 the speed of that log

    Crazy_clay78YTCrazy_clay78YT3 kuukautta sitten
  • I really dont mind the chat consulting. It's interesting seeing your thought process on how to find the start, the process of elimination and how solve the open ended puzzles. Also Ben's editing work is top notch and really makes the videos solid to me.

    Eric EasterlyEric Easterly3 kuukautta sitten
  • thank you for daily episodes i love you

    ikilluboyikilluboy3 kuukautta sitten
  • ur valid

    nerdpiggynerdpiggy3 kuukautta sitten
  • A puzzle-ish game you might like is hearthstone. Wouldn't be surprised if you played it on twitch before. Will point out there is a selection of puzzles specifically that are in hearthstone.

    Jack NguyenJack Nguyen3 kuukautta sitten
  • i'm so impressed by the usefulness and none-spoilery nature of the chat help.

    Roland WolfRoland Wolf3 kuukautta sitten
  • true

    Lukas HLukas H3 kuukautta sitten
  • In the beginning there were footprint icons on the map showing islands that you could progress from, it wouldve been nice to have similar icons for islands that still had undiscovered solutions

    Rhys ComberRhys Comber3 kuukautta sitten
  • Keep doing what ur doing

    Cameron WooCameron Woo3 kuukautta sitten
  • in this episode: *two* puzzles I couldn't solve because of rocks I didn't know you could walk on

    pixelatorpixelator3 kuukautta sitten
  • If you're looking for any more puzzle games that are definitely not open-ended, I can still recommend the Submachine series. A word of warning though, some of the later ones you will likely need to take notes.

    EarioEario3 kuukautta sitten
  • Petition for aliensrock to play Filament

    The Musical OtakuThe Musical Otaku3 kuukautta sitten
  • PozzoLoaf is a mad man

    Brian ZanfeliceBrian Zanfelice3 kuukautta sitten
  • The french horn was honestly my first ever snowman

    Oryx The Orange OneOryx The Orange One3 kuukautta sitten
  • Who read the whole pinned comment 😁

    Maxplayzgam3z77Maxplayzgam3z773 kuukautta sitten
  • this kinda became twitch plays and the yes no game

    Nathan :PNathan :P3 kuukautta sitten
  • Not sure how well it would translate to twitch, but one of my favourite game series is Professor Layton- story driven puzzle solving game for the DS/3DS but I'm pretty sure they released one for the switch (I don't have a switch but I remember seeing ads for it). Puzzles in the Layton games either have their own story, or play into a much larger story- the games also all have side quests and minigames etc for when the main stories gets intense. In general, I don't think DS games always translate the best to twitch, but it would be super interesting to see it on the channel if the switch version would work. Regardless though, I'd recommend the games to just about anyone, they're a lot of fun & don't really get to the point where you're exhausted with them.

    Chloe CChloe C3 kuukautta sitten
  • Gamers, take a moment to thanks Ben for all the edits he does!

    Nathaniel LétourneauNathaniel Létourneau3 kuukautta sitten
  • I hope you turn into a snowman at the end of the game.

    Cameron SoursCameron Sours3 kuukautta sitten
  • Props to poozo btw, he really been the G in the streams. Good job mate

    Bravo -xariaBravo -xaria3 kuukautta sitten
  • Can we get some Ben appreciation in the chat

    DarkSentinelDarkSentinel3 kuukautta sitten
  • bro i kinda dont care i just want you to have fun and solve puzzles however.

    MC VoidMC Void3 kuukautta sitten
  • "The first non-white snowman" Silver robot snowman: Y tho

    MorasainMorasain3 kuukautta sitten
  • Finding Diversity

    Russell GruberRussell Gruber3 kuukautta sitten
  • Thanks PozzoLoaf

    Jyth MivenaJyth Mivena3 kuukautta sitten
  • Two thumbs up for the editor. This whole series was edited amazingly.

    fanthomans2fanthomans23 kuukautta sitten
  • 420th comment

    Alex WoodAlex Wood3 kuukautta sitten
  • wait so is he done with the game? hes not going to finish even though he's so close?

    D3W222D3W2223 kuukautta sitten
  • can i have one?

    AdanorAdanor3 kuukautta sitten
    • :(

      AdanorAdanorUukausi sitten
  • Ben appriciation comment.

    Malcom ThongerMalcom Thonger3 kuukautta sitten
  • Ben should get a raise! Great editing.

    pafnutiytheartistpafnutiytheartist3 kuukautta sitten
  • You would love The Talos Principle. It’s a great puzzle game with very few open ended puzzles.

    RedstoneRhys12RedstoneRhys123 kuukautta sitten
  • Thank you Ben you do good editing

    Fire AttackingFire Attacking3 kuukautta sitten
  • day 81 of telling Tyler I want to give him a hug because of his daily uploads. HE REPLIED ON DAY 66 :)

    nom domnom dom3 kuukautta sitten
  • I feel like u should ask twitch chat for a lot more help and just talk to them more. I mean, there are entire streams of just people talking to chat so you could do something like that and play a videogame at the same time. Eventually, even if you aren't completely tryharding the level, you'll reach a point where you can solve the level with help from chat. I'd really enjoy it if you 100% the game, you are so enjoyable to watch as a variety puzzle game youtuber and streamer so hopefully you keep playing. Thanks

    fischypillowfischypillow3 kuukautta sitten
  • Look at that snowman! He’s got that sissy stringy music thing.

    Praise ItPraise It3 kuukautta sitten
    • A harp?

      Ivan PascuttiniIvan Pascuttini3 kuukautta sitten
  • Ben did a great work on the editing

    Unknown ObserverUnknown Observer3 kuukautta sitten
  • Editor Ben is the best

    EnergeticMoon0EnergeticMoon03 kuukautta sitten
  • you do you tyler. having an unclear goal and/or starting point in a puzzle game just makes it a grind imo. and there's no fun in that

    BastianBastian3 kuukautta sitten
  • yo I will watch every Video i make, so do what you enjoy the most

    Lazar 07Lazar 073 kuukautta sitten
  • 11:46 I can count the amount of the all islands in the game on two hands... using binary counting system

    FlyMasterFlyMaster3 kuukautta sitten
  • Fuck who ever disliked this game is sick and aliens rock is the best FIstartr

    hayes williamshayes williams3 kuukautta sitten
  • I never post. On any youtube channel. I just wanted to say that this series has been one of the things I have enjoyed watching and looking forward to most on youtube. Ever. I'm glad you are finishing it 100 percent, and I think your method of asking chat for hints and starting points is great. Better than googling the answers beforehand and then pretending to discover them like I am sure other people have done..... Personally I like open ended puzzles, but I don't play much. Just watch :)

    Derek StanyerDerek Stanyer3 kuukautta sitten
  • I don't mind watching you consult the chat just for the general solutions, I think that's fine, especially in an edited format like this. But if you find yourself not enjoying doing the levels even with hints, you shouldn't force yourself.

    shal5shal53 kuukautta sitten
  • Alien: Please read the pinned comment Me looking for pinned comment Me finding it and thinking: OH HELL NO

    Mikhail IshitskiyMikhail Ishitskiy3 kuukautta sitten
  • My eyes were not in top condition , i just woke up, i literally read this as "sometimes all we need is a BUG" So i watched the video expecting a bug.

    ShafShaf3 kuukautta sitten
  • 10166th and 296th Comment

    The 9 year old armyThe 9 year old army3 kuukautta sitten
  • You should really look at the game Stephens sausage roll it’s really similar to this game in that it takes an object moving concept (two tile sausages) and does everything physically possible with those mechanics. It’s really really good

    noahman02noahman023 kuukautta sitten
  • Veramente un bel video, anche se lo posso vedere solo tre ore dopo visto che vivo in Italia... Translate that

    Samuele passanitiSamuele passaniti3 kuukautta sitten
  • 3:28 Look at the trees. They are like some illusion.

    BalintWarBalintWar3 kuukautta sitten
  • 0:24 Much thanks to Tom Lockhart for finding a way to reach the angel snowman from below, this deserves more sharing: fistart.info/tv/videot/tJ6yuW2QgsmpuNE.html

    Edward HouEdward Hou3 kuukautta sitten
  • aliensrock

    Lost DestroyerLost Destroyer3 kuukautta sitten
  • I guess there really are two types of people in this world, those that can extrapolate data from an incomplete source.

    aaronred345aaronred3453 kuukautta sitten
    • Nice

      Ivan PascuttiniIvan Pascuttini3 kuukautta sitten
  • Thanks for the vids Tyler. You too Ben.

    Thomas Lampton BickhamThomas Lampton Bickham3 kuukautta sitten
  • I think this game would really benefit from a hint system of some sort

    DenDen3 kuukautta sitten
  • Open ended puzzles require a much different mindset to solve -- you have to be willing to bumble about, fail, completely make a fool of yourself as you experiment with things that have no hope of working. I think streaming this is a lot harder considering you feel pressured to solve the puzzles as quickly as you can. You mentioned multiple times that you didn't want to "waste time" which is a clear indicator that you feel this pressure to solve with people watching. I don't think open ended puzzles lend themselves particularly well to streaming but if you want to make it happen I think it requires a much more laid back approach and an openness to failure.

    John MeoJohn Meo3 kuukautta sitten
  • 3:44 Human: Angel 5 head Tyler: Angle

    HPTuse QZHPTuse QZ3 kuukautta sitten
    • It’s a reference to “i can be your angle or yuor devil”

      The Friend of Many SquirrelsThe Friend of Many Squirrels3 kuukautta sitten
  • Tyler that’s a lyre. You know... the instrument

    Utku FerahUtku Ferah3 kuukautta sitten
  • Anyone else notice how he almost always solves stuff harder than it meant to be

    The voice Of reasonThe voice Of reason3 kuukautta sitten
  • 🎶All you need is hug... Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh🎶

    MulhollandrlMulhollandrl3 kuukautta sitten
  • This guy is wholesome, and I do need a hug. Don't play just for us, play in the way that's most fun for you, you're a different kind of creator and we are all here for you.

    The King of S O U PThe King of S O U P3 kuukautta sitten
  • 👿 I didn't get a notification.

    JacobJacob3 kuukautta sitten
  • Why doesn't the monster just jump in the water? It would make these puzzles a whole lot easier.

    Gaming On The FloorGaming On The Floor3 kuukautta sitten
  • Appreciate ya Ben

    ArcArc3 kuukautta sitten
  • I haven’t paid attention to the streams, but have you finished the game / are going to upload the completion? Because I’ve loved this entire series and I’ve been getting excited to watch the ending through your series with 100% completion.

    Matthew WMatthew W3 kuukautta sitten
    • @Gabriel Nicholas I’m asking if he’s going to finish the game before getting burnt out, he can’t play it forever since there is an ending

      Matthew WMatthew W3 kuukautta sitten
    • Opps not meant to be rude

      Gabriel NicholasGabriel Nicholas3 kuukautta sitten
    • So are you telling me you want the series to end???

      Gabriel NicholasGabriel Nicholas3 kuukautta sitten
  • Reading the pinned comment once again makes me think that you'd really enjoy Portal 2 if you haven't played it already. Practically no open-ended puzzles at all (even more so than the original Portal), and you have endless fantastic workshop content at your disposal.

    PaperolioPaperolio3 kuukautta sitten
    • He has played it

      jdogskizzlejdogskizzle3 kuukautta sitten
    • Amplify Can definitely agree, if they had skipped old aperture and just introduced the gels as ‘Wheatley being an idiot and crushing rocks’ they could have had 2 or so chambers for each before moving onto the itch, removing at least an hour of useless gameplay and making the game more or less perfect in my book

      DaLemonsHateUDaLemonsHateU3 kuukautta sitten
    • I honestly had a lot less fun with Portal 2 than 1. I don't like open ended puzzles either, but Portal 1 was short and sweet, the options weren't too ridiculous (you start from that room, not "any of the previous rooms" and you can generally see what the goal is. Portal 2 outstayed its welcome for me halfway into the game and I was just completing it out of obligation at that point.

      AmplifyAmplify3 kuukautta sitten
    • As someone who has also played it, I would have to agree.

      Joshua MachinJoshua Machin3 kuukautta sitten
  • Hehe

    Daniel Duntavs SaundersDaniel Duntavs Saunders3 kuukautta sitten
  • God, you know what, with what he said in the pinned comment and what i know about him, *he would absolutely love Outer Wilds and its a beautiful game i would love to watch him play* WHOS WITH ME!?

    Closer2ZeroCloser2Zero3 kuukautta sitten
  • Tyler, Tyler, Tyler. It is always fine to ask for help when you need it the most, whether that's is a puzzle game or in real life. If you are asking for help, it means you are growing mentaly. It doesn't mean the level will be easier too, because we usually _see_ you do but rarely _actually_ do it. That means that by asking for help, you are passing the puzzle to the audience and see what _they_ think with _their_ knowledge (which is 99% of the time lesser than yours). And you wanna know the best part? I find that much more intresting that just you doing the puzzle! So don't _ever_ think that was a bad developpement. The community is there for this reason too: if you are unsure of your next move, maybe one advice from one random guy puts you closer to success...

    Green SoulGreen Soul3 kuukautta sitten
    • @RubbishFPS Idk? Maybe they just want to help people out and not watch just for themselves? I have no other idea what the 1% would else do.

      Green SoulGreen Soul3 kuukautta sitten
  • BUNNY SNOWMAN

    ThePinkBunnyEmpireThePinkBunnyEmpire3 kuukautta sitten
  • The solutions to 9:19 and 13:02 are a lot more simple than he makes it out to be.

    Joseph PentonyJoseph Pentony3 kuukautta sitten
  • I think that this game was the funnier to watch in your entire chanel, and I found joy even in this last levels where u asked chat. Hope you find a good way to develop better understanding of open endend puzzles and then enjoy them better! love your channel

    Isac Messias MichelonIsac Messias Michelon3 kuukautta sitten
  • What would happen if you pushed a double log onto a small log, but the small log is in the position that the end of the double log would end up? Because, if it's at the beginning of the double log, it just does the tumble thing, so what would happen if it was at the end of the double log?

    Mr. Pyth0nMr. Pyth0n3 kuukautta sitten
    • IIRC, I'm pretty it pushes the small log, causing it to roll away.

      Sean O'FarrellSean O'Farrell3 kuukautta sitten
    • if the small log is perpendicular to the double log then the small log gets pushed, I'm not sure off the top of my head what happens if they're parallel, though my guess would be that the double log splits in two and creates a land raft? and if the small log is standing then I'm 90% sure it just falls over

      gay rightsgay rights3 kuukautta sitten
    • I think it turns into a raft

      A Spooky Child The Kneecap KingA Spooky Child The Kneecap King3 kuukautta sitten
  • Alternate name for the game: Friend making simulator

    Gaming On The FloorGaming On The Floor3 kuukautta sitten
  • Personally I like watching you ask chat for help as it rarely (if ever) happens

    JarvaliciousJarvalicious3 kuukautta sitten
  • That notification hit hard

    GuilhermeGuilherme3 kuukautta sitten
  • I personally think you should just do whatever you feel enjoyment from playing which therefore would become better content

    Christopher KincaidChristopher Kincaid3 kuukautta sitten
  • Man i love these videos

    Matthias DalglieshMatthias Dalgliesh3 kuukautta sitten
  • Log Champ

    Ryan MeadeRyan Meade3 kuukautta sitten
  • I finish the series: and thennnnnn pop new vid

    The Flaming GamerThe Flaming Gamer3 kuukautta sitten
  • One half: "do what you want to do" The other half: "you expect me to READ more than TEN WHOLE WORDS!?"

    DuSAprukiyathanDuSAprukiyathan3 kuukautta sitten
    • I can barely read three, and you're expecting me to get past ten?!

      Frisky D.Frisky D.3 kuukautta sitten
    • I speak with big *sentences* only, so can't argue

      Shevko MoreShevko More3 kuukautta sitten
    • @A Spooky Child The Kneecap King very true, my biggest work is california

      tylergotchitylergotchi3 kuukautta sitten
    • I mean... cmon, he uses big words like "puzzle" that confuses me Now that's just unfair in my book

      A Spooky Child The Kneecap KingA Spooky Child The Kneecap King3 kuukautta sitten
  • I definitely understand how this game could get tiring to play, but real disappointed that more people dont like watching this game. It's so chill and wholesome

    Ryan WesterRyan Wester3 kuukautta sitten
  • I absolutely love this series and I really hope you finish the game but its up to you

    Elijah PiekarekElijah Piekarek3 kuukautta sitten